Out Of Body

[dziba]

Mozda bih trebao malo da pojasnim taj koncept Fokusa, jer vidim da nista nisam objasnio u prethodnom postu. Zacetnik te ideje je Robert Monroe Ali meni se licno svideo opis Franka jer kada sam citao njegovo objasnjenje imao sam osecaj da citam svoje misli. Bas, da sam hteo nikada nebih tako dobro napisao kao on. Ideja se slaze sa mojim iskustvima I uopste pogledom na zivot. Pokusacu sa svojim vidjenjem.

Primaran focus je onaj na fizicku realnost. Glavni atributi su ljudskih pet cula (vid, sluh, miris, ukus I dodir). Pored toga, u svakodnevom zivotu, koriste se memorija (pamcenje), osecanja, razmisljanje, volja, strasti, pozude, ideje, imaginacija, intuicija…Kada pomesamo sve to dobijamo kompleksan sistem koji cini nas u prvom fokusu, odnosno fizickoj realnosti. I sam taj focus se konstantno menja. Kada smo odmorni I energicni imamo jedan focus, kada smo umorni drugi, kada imamo mrznju, zavist, ljubav, glad, kada nam je toplo ili hladno… Sve su to varijacije na prvi focus. Recimo kao da gledamo kroz staklo koje menja boje I debljinu. Postoji jako puno parametara koji su pomesani I na kraju prolaze kroz filter na koji usmerava nasa paznja. Zamislite sve te kombinacije I sva ta iskustva koja se mogu doziveti. Filter je nas sistem verovanja. On je licni, ali mislim da postoje I neka bazicna verovanja. Pod bazicnim bih svrstao ona koja daju nash, ovozemaljski, pogled na f1. To je recimo moje verovanje da cu morati da jedem I pijem da bih preziveo, ako se pustim pascu na zemlju zbog gravitacije, ako bacim nesto na zid odbice se jer je zid cvrst I neprobojan… Dakle, skup svih ubedjenja, koja postoje kao opste prihvacena. Kada na to dodam I moja licna, kao sto su: ovo je lepo, ono je gadno, sada cu biti srecan, prija mi ovo, sve to sto cini moj karakter, dobijam jednu prizmu koja predstavlja moj licni filter kroz koji prolaze razne stimulacije. Kada se uzme sve to u obzir dobijam hiljade I hiljade ishoda za koje bi trebalo jako puno zivota da se iskusi , a ne samo ovaj jedan. Ali, svejedno, to je samo povrsina. Postoje I one dublje implikacije koje uticu na f1. A I one su takodje na raspolagaju, samo je potrebno promeniti sistem verovanja I dozvoliti da oni faktori koji su prisutni ali podsvesni izadju na povrsinu. Sustina je u tome da mi, zapravo, postojimo na svim nivoima, a menja se nas focus paznje. Trenutno smo u fokusu 1, fizickom. I ostali nivoi su u nama. Nema prelaza iz tela u telo, samo promena fokusa. Ako promenimo focus sa pet cula na osecenja (ili deo iz opusa drugog fokusa) dobicemo fokus2. Ali pod tim nepodrazumevam sedeti u fotelji I osecati, vec u potpunosti prisustvovati realnosti fokusa2. On je sastavljen od naseg licnog sklopa verovanja. To je nas licni um. Tu se kriju nasi unutrasnji procesi, misli, ideje, masta, to je individualni astral. Drugom recju podsvest. Tu se odvijaju snovi, astralne projekcije (licne), odatle poticu osecanja, ideje, masta… Jedan mnogo kompleksan system nase svesti (I podsvesti). Da neduzim puno, dolazimo do f3. To je izlaz iz naseg licnog sveta I “mesto” gde se nalaze objektivni parametri koji kreiraju jedan raznovrstan svet u kom mozemo da ucestvujemo I komuniciramo sa drugim bicima, drugim svetovima gde ne vaze nasa “pravila”. Osnovna sredstva funkcionisanja su misli I volja odnosno namera, kao I osecanja. To je jedan “unutrasnji” svet, koji je, zapravo, siri od ovog naseg “spoljasnjeg”. Tu se stvari desavaju na mnogo cistijem nivou I nema nacina da se nesto sakrije, slaze ili izmanipulise. Komunikacija je bazirana na misaonim konceptima, a samo bice odaje svoje stanje “svesti” na neki nacin “emitovanja energije”. Mislim da je to toliko kompleksan svet da ne postoji nacin da se iskusi bilo sta vise od jedne male mrvice te celine (ako je to Celina uopste, pre bi se reklo beskraj). Ako bi se “zumiralo” jos “dublje” dosli bi do f4, odnosno izvora iz koga proisticu prva tri fokusa. To je stanje mentalnih koncepata I vitalnih izvora, bez vremena I prostora, mesto svega sto se dalje preformulise kroz ostale f. Dakle, suma svega ako se gleda iz f1, a izvor ako gledamo iz f4. Na taj nacin imamo izvor ili izvore iz kojih proisticu mentalne koncepcije koje se dalje transformisu I kombinuju u razne oblike pojava I oblika postojanja (kroz f3, f2 I f1), da bi na kraju dobili sve te svetove, andjele, djavole, organska I neorganska bica, osecanja, misli, sunce, mecec, kamen, biljku, zivotinju ili coveka...

Mislim da se nalazimo tu gde se nalazimo zato sto to I zelimo. Fokus je tamo gde je usmerena nasa zelja da on bude. Mozda povrsinski to nedeluje tako ali u nekom kompletnijem smislu, dubljem, tu smo jer to I hocemo. Stvoren je jedan kompletan sistem ubedjenja I dovoljno je da se on promeni da bi se promenio I focus. Nije cilj “prosvetljenje” vec PUT do “prosvetljenja”, iskustva stecena na tom putu. Sve ono sto vidimo da se desava oko nas I u nama (ratovi, beda, bolesti, manipulacija…) sto bismo zeleli da promenimo zapravo su tu jer su oni bitni sastojci nasih zivota koji nebi bio ni priblizno ovakav da toga nema. Za svaku losu stvar postoji I jako pozitivna stvar koja jedino tako moze doci do izrazaja. Ali polako menjamo focus, ” The piper's calling you to join him”…

Nisam hteo da filozofiram ali morao sam da zaokruzim, “makar crk’o”!

[EXARP]

Prika moj... previše pričaš...zakomplicira si tako jednostavnu stvar kao što je sest, leć, zatvorit oći i ispraznit misli. Sad mogu i ja reć da su 4 ravni, za koja trebaš utrenirat 4 tijela da bi se kretala kroz 7 pojaseva.

Svejedno. Nisan nikad razmišlja tako o svojin skromnim iskustvima. Mislin tako komplicirano. Vježba, a i kasnije sustav za kretanje u projekciju su bili jednostavni. U biti. Prvo su išle vježbe vizuializacije, ka vježbu koncetracije. A uz to i meditacija. Bilo je zabavno, a i korisno...poslin kod projekcije.

Za olakšat i usmjerit projekciju, krug bi bija konstruiran i utemeljen. Sve radnje za fokusiranje projekcije bi se izvršile u krugu. Nakon toga zauzimanje odgovarajučeg položaja (obično neki ugodan položaj, sjedeča je poza najmočnija ali je treba uvježbat) i meditacija. Ako se meditacija izvodi kako treba, definitivno će se u nekom momentu dogodit to da "nema tijela", tj. njegovih smetnji. A onda je dovoljno pomisliti da ideš u vis...i ideš; ideš tamo di si se, kako bi to dziba lipo reka, fokusira.
Problem je kod meditacije šta je jako lako zaspat, al je ipak lakše kontrolirat nego ako npr. ležeš u krevet i sad kreneš vježbat projekciju. U početku, za olakšat ulazak u stanje meditacije, praktično je koristit mantra-meditaciju. Mantranje lakše fokusira.

Tako san ja to radija dok san to radija. I nisan ima nekih problema, osin problema "otvaranja astralnih očiju".
Al sve je lakše radit u društvu

Sretno dziba, nek te .... vodi i čuva na tvom Putu.

[dziba]

Ma znam... Nije mi bio cilj da "pricam previse" ali sta drugo mozemo preko foruma nego da "pricamo"?
Ali, ipak, nebih se slozio da je tako jednostavno. Da jeste mnogo vise nas bi imalo znanja o tome. Treba promeniti citav sastav verovanja. Siguran sam da razumes o cemu govorim.
Posto je jasno da se interesujes za celu koncepciju "toplo" ti preporucujem da istrazis "dublje" Roberta Monroea. Mnogo je zanimljiv i delotvoran njegov (njihov, posto je ceo tim ljudi ukljucen) gateway program. Mogu, mozda, cak i ja da pomognem, odnosno da nekako dostavim, posto posedujem isti. Mada nije neki problem nabaviti i na poznate nacine...
Peace, love and understanding...

[EXARP]

Originally Posted by dziba

Ma znam... Nije mi bio cilj da "pricam previse" ali sta drugo mozemo preko foruma nego da "pricamo"?
Ali, ipak, nebih se slozio da je tako jednostavno. Da jeste mnogo vise nas bi imalo znanja o tome. Treba promeniti citav sastav verovanja. Siguran sam da razumes o cemu govorim.

Da znam. Na to sam zaboravija. Ima smisla; ljudima je najteže promjenit sustav vjerovanja. Bravo, na tu "sitnicu" san zaboravija. Ali i dalje tvrdim da za uvježbat se u mentalnoj projekciji nije nikakav problem. Brzo to ide. Naravno, koristeći određene tehnike, radnje itd. koje sve to mogu ubrzat.

Mislim da svi to možemo. Samo, ljudi neznaju. Neko im treba reć. Najbolje neko ko je to "dozna".

Svaka čast tim "hi-tech" metodama. Zanimljia koncepcija za "zakrivljavanje" stvarnosti.
Ja osobno više volin tradicionalniji pristup za olakšavanje i pospješivanje kvalitetnije "umreženosti".
Gljivarci su savršeni. Aya je ultimativna kraljica,ali preskupa za dobit kvalitet. Oboje te trenutno "prikopčaju" na "mrežu". Svako od ova 2 operativna sustava savršeno je na svoj način. Al treba naučit radit u operativnom sustavu. Imaju, osobito gljivarci, previše "zabavne multimedije" pa se lako izgubit u svin tin šarenim konekcijama.

I nebi da me sad neko krivo svati; da su bilo koji sakramenti uvjet, pa čak i vježba za postizavanje postignuća. Za postizavanje treba obratit pažnju na afterglow. I na vježbe; rađene čiste svijesti. Jer energetski naboj ostaje jakoooo dugo. Ovisno o "količini svjesnosti".

Eto, to je moj način. Ali, svejedno, cilj svih vježbi, pa ma kakve bile, je da se jednog dana, bez ikakvih pomagala uključimo sve centre i zablistamo punim sjajem jedne Zvijezde. Tako da su ipak najbolja pomagala koja uopče nemaju veze sa ovom našom ravni. Jednostavno nisu iz naše stvarnosti

[dziba]

Astral Projection (AP’) is an automatic reflex, built in to your body and mind. To trigger
it, while fully conscious, there are three major requirements.
1. The ability to relax your body 100% and stay awake.
2. You have to be able to shift your consciousness point outside
of your body.
3. You need enough mental and psychic energy to maintain control
over the projection and not slip into the dream state. Together, these will trigger the
automatic projection reflex for a full powered AP’. There are a few minor conditions
but these can be varied to suit your experience and surroundings.
Relaxation: You must ‘master’ a full body relaxation exercise. If you know one already
it can be adapted to suit. Sit in a ‘chair’ and relax. Starting with the feet, tense them and
relax them. Continue this with calves, thighs, hips, stomach, chest, arms, neck and face.
Go over this a few times until you feel completely relaxed. Breathe deeply and slowly
throughout this and try to become ‘aware’ of the breath entering and leaving your body.
Mental hands: Imagine you have a pair of ‘mental hands’. Stroke yourself with these
‘hands’ in an upward motion from your feet and up your legs, over and over again. Try
and ‘feel’ them relaxing and soothing you. Continue this up through the center of your
torso, paying particular attention to the chakras. The mental hands technique will also
get you used to shifting your point of consciousness to different parts of your body. Try
and put as much of yourself as you can into these mental hands.
Energy raising: As you pull upwards through your legs with your mental hands,
imagine you are gripping the energy that flows there and pull it up through you. This is
the natural path of the psychic/life energy that flows through you. With practice you will
actually ‘feel’ this energy tingling and surging through you. It will literally ‘charge’ you
up like a battery.
Chakras: These are situated at: 1. The base of the spine (between the anus and the
genitals) 2. The spleen (slightly below the belly button) 3. The solar plexus (1 hand-span
above the belly button) 4. The heart (center of the chest) 5. The throat. 6. Forehead. 7.
Crown (full top of your head). They are best imagined as roughly the size of your hand.

Chakra stimulation: Chakras are centers for the transformation of energy. Each chakra
transforms the raw life energy of the planet into a different type. As you pull this energy
up through you with your mental hands, stop at each chakra and imagine your mental
hands opening it. Pull the energy up through it to the next one and so on. Repeat this a
few times, you may not feel anything at first but with practice you will feel a fluttering or
pulsing under your skin.
Stop Check: Keep checking your muscles for any tensioning throughout these exercises
and re-relax as needed. A common problem is the automatic tensing of muscles as you
pull energy up through you. Remember, this is all mental; the body must stay dormant
and relaxed throughout this.
Point shift: To shift your point of consciousness, imagine you are a foot or two out in
front of yourself. NOT a figure in front of you but YOU are in front of your physical
body. Keep in mind you physical body being behind you. This is tricky but you will get
used to it quickly. Don’t tense or strain any muscles during this, your body will try to
obey you ‘physically’, don’t let it.
Mental state: Your surface mind will be fully occupied by these exercises so no mental
exercise is needed up to this point. When you feel Breath awareness: ‘Feel’ your breath
coming in and ‘feel’ it going out. With the inhale, ‘pull’ energy up from the base chakra
to your heart chakra with your mental hands. Note: If you feel any vibration start in your
body at this point, and don’t want to project yet, move your head slightly, and gently
sway your body into normal alertness.
These exercises should be carried out daily. Some of them can be done anywhere and
anytime you have a few minutes to spare. You will, in time, condition your body to
respond quickly and easily. With practice you will be able to attain a state of ‘total
relaxation’ in just a few minutes. This training will reduce the amount of effort needed,
and the fatigue produced, when you attempt a fully conscious AP.

[Šaman Šandor]

Imam ja jedan "priručnik" za astralnu projekciju na hrvatskome je i meni se čini kao dosta dobar i tako dosta je praktičan ja sam malo vježbao po tome ali mi ne ide baš osobito i zbog moje ljenosti najviše ali uglavnom ima četrdeset i nešt strana pa neznam šta daradim s njime htio bi ga stavit ovdje ali previše mi to za u postove stavljati a nije u .pdf-u nego imam u obliku web stranice pa šta daradim mogu ak vam valja u notepad kopirat i stavit na net za download

[RedSh]

to i napravi....skupi sav text u word ili notepad pa okaci link za skidat pa ko voli nek izvoli :)))

[dziba]

evo nesto sto ja smatram bazom naseg sistema verovanja, a to su arhetipovi. Kada se razbije linearna struktura nase memorije dodje se do "mentalnih jedinica" koje su, kada se povezu, baza naseg memorijskog sistema na koji se dalje sve gradi.

http://www.crystalinks.com/archetypes.html

[dziba]

Liber Crash Course:
To begin any of the exercises, rites or methods instructed in this book, I will start with the most
important (and perhaps most tedious) part: Dreaming (and remembering). To be able to work on
dreaming, you first must begin to remember dreaming, a problem the majority of society and
domestication face. Everyone dreams, several times each time they fall into the spell of sleep. The
problem is remembering. How many dreams do you remember every morning when you awaken from
your coma like slumber? The answer of course will vary. However chances are, you do not remember
even half (if any) of the dreams you have each time you fall asleep. This is the first step to exploring the
world of dreams and the first gate you must pass to realize the difference between dreaming and waking,
fantasy and reality.
Whether you remember your dreams or not. This next step is very necessary if you wish any results
from this book's instructions. Results can be achieved by ignoring this step but your results will be 'halfass'
and you will be settling for second best. Not a good way to work when focusing on your self.
Book Of Dreaming:
-This method is widely used, referred to as a dream book, dream journal, dream diary, etc. etc. - It is
quite simple at takes little effort other than a few moments of your time after waking. To begin, find
something to write in, anything will suffice from some scratch paper to an exquisite blank paged book
for you to fill the pages of. Something that you can keep organized and well preserved is the most
important factor.
Use this book and keep care of it.
Starting from the day you make this book, before falling asleep, write down the information of your
conditions you are going to sleep in. Start with the date and time and basic information. You can keep
this simple or make it as complex and detailed as you wish going as far as to record the phases of the
moon, planetary positions, your diet and mind frame, how much sleep you had the night before, where
you are sleeping, who you are sleeping with, etc. -Important thing is to record what you feel is important
and influential of your dreams/sleep. When you wake up, take a few moments to remain motionless, do
not move from the position you wake up in and do not begin thinking about your day that is ahead of
you. Simply let your thoughts focus on your dreams and see what you can remember, after taking a brief
amount of time for this, write down what you have been able to recall in your book concerning your
dreams. If you remember only for example, "Being in a white room" write this down and describe all (if
any) emotions you recall having in the dream, feelings to the atmosphere, etc. Describe the scenario of
your dream as detailed as possible. If you do not remember any dreams what so ever. Write this down
(after you have tried at least for 5 full minutes to remember your dreams!). However, it is best to avoid
writing something like "I don't remember shit"!!! Instead if you recall nothing, if anything, write down
the state of mind you wake up in, and the state of mind you fell asleep in and take note of your degree of
sleep (i.e. "Tonight I slept very deeply, not even a 3rd world war could have woken me."). If you have
no recollection of your dreams what so ever, be persistent. If you are doing this correctly and maintain
effort, within a maximum of approximately a week and a half, you will begin to have success. Also, if
you follow the procedures and methods I am going to recommend further in these writings on top of
your book of dreaming, you will find your time to reach success in remembering your dreams to be
greatly reduced.
The main key for success in dream recall through the method of a Book of Dreaming is persistence.
Even after you are able to recall our dreams without effort, it is important you do not stop or slack off on
recording your dreams every day within our book. If something prohibits you from writing in your book
in the morning when you wake, do not stop, simply take the first opportunity you have to write even a
brief summary of your dreams, even if this is the next evening after, it is important to take this action.
This is not only important for maintaining the ability to recall your dreams but it is also extremely
important to have success within the rituals, methods, and exercises that I will presenting in these
writings.
Mind Control
Now that you know how to start remembering what happens in your mind, it is time to take the first
step, which exists on a seemingly endless, winding, staircase to begin gaining control over the actions of
your own mind. There is a conditioning the majority of people today have been subjected to known as
"Domestication" - in many ways this seems like a good thing and in many ways it is, physically.
However in many ways Mentally and Spiritually, it has destroyed many qualities once possessed by
(Wo)Man. What I am talking about, I have seen discussed and explained by a variety of other authors.
The most suitable and tangible explanation I have come across is the words of Peter Carroll in his book
"Liber Null & the Psychonaut" where he has a chapter called the Psychic Censor. He refers to this
domestication (Wo)Man has been victim of as a "Psychic Censor" in our minds. If you have read any
books on Magick, whether it book on Wicca to Goetic Demonology most likely you have heard authors
and Magickians talk of how much more 'open' and sensitive children are to energy and seeing things
paranormal that most adults don't. Based on studies this can essentially be considered fact. Children
possess something we don't. Unfortunately they, like us lose this 'something' as they age and become
more and more subjected to the teachings, ways and brainwashing of society. They learn what they are
taught and the ones who excel, learn to question what they are taught. The mind is much more powerful
than credit is given, it can be conditioned to allow you to see things that are not there and allow you to
be blind to things right in front of your face. This part of the mind that Subconsciously controls the
Conscious is what is censoring how you perceive things and what you perceive. A concrete and good
example of this is dreams. Everyone dreams, this is fact backed with scientific evidence. However in
normal society what is a dream?? It is for majority, discarded as babbling of your mind that mean and
represent nonsense. Because of this collective mentality the majority of society possesses, many of us
have been conditioned to not even remember our dreams. We have been programmed to discard them as
unimportant fantasies to such a subconscious level that we go to the extent of not even acknowledging
their existence! Though it has taken years of aging for us to develop this wall within our own mind, the
wall can be broken with the correct forces of one's own desire and willpower. This is a first step of the
monotonous staircase within your mind that reaches you to self-control over your own mind!


CEO TEKST MOZETE VIDETI OVDE: http://www.beyondweird.com/Astral-Wo...Sanguinus.html

[dziba]

http://www.spiritualislibrae.com/ebo...tual_Journeys/

[LucidDream]

Koliko sam shvatio iz prethodnog,ispravite me ako gresim,trebalo bi prvo usavrsiti meditaciju pa onda preci na OBE i razne projekcije...Ako je tako,onda imam jedno pitanje...Kako mogu znati kada sam usavrsio(ili barem doveo do dovoljnog nivoa) meditiranje?

[dziba]

Svi mi imamo projekcije za vreme sna samo sto nemozemo da ih zapamtimo. Koliko snova, realno, mozes da se setis kada se probudis? Stvar je u tome da su to "dva razlicita sveta" i funkcionisu na razlicitim principima. Treba sto vise iskustva da bi se upoznala ta teritorija, ta "atmosfera" jer u pocetku si posmatrac, a vremenom upoznajes "pravila" i postajes "akter" da bi kasnije mogao da postanes kreator i manipulator u igri. Zato je bitno iskustvo, a, kao sto sam vec rekao, presudno je stanje svesti u kome se nalazis. Jer svet u koji se projektujes je reflekcija tvoje svesti. Meditacije cesto "predje" u OBE, odnosno spontano postane OBE. Nevidim zasto nebi mogao odmah da imas i OBE, stvar je u tome sto ces sa vise iskustva imati manje problema pri downloadu pamcenja iskustva koje si doziveo... Pokusaj pa javi...

[LucidDream]

Oke...Prvo cu se usredsrediti na meditiranje,pa kada budem bio spreman ciljam na vise...Svejedno,izvestavam sigurno...

[dziba]

evo jedan preveden tekst od Roberta Brucea:
A ima i mnogo drugih zanimljivih tekstova...http://www.prosvetljenje.net/index.p...d=59&Itemid=27

[LucidDream]

Kako dobre stvari ima onde...ccc...Neznam kako ranije nisam cuo za Robert Brusa...

LUCIDNI SNOVI

To je kada osoba postane potpuno svesna onoga što sanja. Osoba ili preuzima neku svesnu kontrolu nad tokom dogadjaja, ili pretvara iskustvo u AP. LS je više sličan astralnoj projekciji negoli vantelesnom iskustvu, jer su i u njemu vreme i stvarnost poremeceni.

[Šaman Šandor]

Taj tekst ja imam isprintano i po njemu sam do sada pokušavao prakticirati istina malo puat ali bez nekih osobitih rezultata, projekciju još niasm ni isprobavao ja još imam problema s meditacijom, mozak preaktivan

[dziba]

http://www.4shared.com/account/file/...rojekcija.html
Evo jedne sjajne knjige i to na "domacem" jeziku!

[Gwydion]

Originally Posted by dziba

http://www.4shared.com/account/file/...rojekcija.html
Evo jedne sjajne knjige i to na "domacem" jeziku!

Ostavio sam ja link za Robert Brusa u prevodu, na temi o literaturi.

[dziba]

To nije Robert Bruce, a pogledaj nekoliko postova iznad! (post 34 u ovoj temi)