Datura

[Ramona_Red]

Evo ljudi nešto zanimljivo - tko voli/poštuje Daturu, poslije ovog članka će još više - na engleskom je, sori - i jes' malo i dugo, alje zanimljivo, pa kome se ne čita nek ne čita - radi se o dobrim, ljekovitim svojstvima Dature, kojih ima toliko mnogo - za začudit se ovako za dobrojutro - ima i zanimljiva usporedba s Belladonnom - fascinantno je da biljke tako sličnog sastava zapravo to i nisu (čudesna naša Priroda), te u medicini imaju sasvim drukčiju primjenu:

In medicinal doses, Datura stramonium acts as an anodyne antispasmodic, without causing constipation, and will prove serviceable in cases where opium can not be given. It does not readily produce sleep, but if sleep follows, it is generally due to the alleviation of pain or nervous irritability produced by the drug. Belladonna has proved serviceable in gastritis and enteritis, and may likewise be used to allay neuralgic pains. It is very remarkable that a plant so closely allied to belladonna in physiological action, should be so different in some of its therapeutical effects, and particularly in regard to pain. For deep-seated pain, as of neuralgia, etc., it is far less effective than belladonna, but for superficial neuralgia, when locally applied, it is more effective than that drug. It well illustrates the fallacy of prescribing remedies for certain effects, because of known physiological action of a drug—the therapeutical effects often being widely at variance. Again, it is more effective in mental disorders than is belladonna. Besides, while daturine, in some respects, exceeds atropine in power, in many respects it does not in the least accomplish the therapeutical results of the latter. Stramonium, in combination with quinine, forms an invaluable preparation which has been found beneficial in intermittent fever, periodic pains, headache, dysmenorrhoea, delirium tremens, etc. It is said that the seeds exert an influence to prevent abortion.

While less effective than belladonna for the relief of pain, it may be employed in neuralgic dysmenorrhoea, with nervous irritation, tic-douloureux, spasmodic intestinal pain, sciatica, rheumatism, and syphilitic pain. It is a minor remedy for some forms of epilepsy. It has been lauded for vertigo and headache, from disordered conditions of the stomach produced by hyperacidity, and is also endorsed for muscular tremblings of the hands of functional or reflex origin, and associated with great restlessness. When gastric headache is accompanied with marked nervous erethism and unsteadiness, its action is specific.


Stramonium is a remedy of value in troubles resulting from cerebral irritation, in abdominal derangements, when due to irritation of the sympathetic. It has long borne a reputation as a remedy for acute delirium, and in acute mania, the patient being violent, boisterous, angry, and possessed of a destructive tendency. Such delirium may occur as a grave symptom in inflammatory and febrile diseases, particularly in zymotic diseases. The dose here ranges from a fraction of a drop to 4 drops of specific stramonium. In regard to its action in maniacal excitement and other nervous disorders, Dr. Scudder (Spec. Med., p. 251) says: "It may be given in acute diseases when the patient is furiously delirious; in delirium tremens, when the patient is enraged and inclined to injure those present, destroy furniture, or harm himself; in violent mania; in epilepsy, associated with or followed by maniacal excitement. In chronic disease, it is enough that the patient feels inclined to violent outbursts of passion, and has difficulty in restraining himself." It is often a remedy of value in hysterical mania, with convulsions, and alternate laughing and weeping, and for globus hystericus. With these conditions, there is usually headache, flushed face, and sexual irritation (Locke). Prof. Locke speaks of it as a good remedy in some forms of paralysis following convulsions, strong injections, or shock, or due to suppressed eruptions. Bloating and redness of the face indicate it. For retrocession of the eruptions in the exanthemata, it is of considerable value, though less efficient than belladonna.



As an antidote to the opium habit, stramonium may be given as follows: Rx Specific stramonium, ℥ss; tincture of cardamom, ℥iijss. Mix. Sig. Begin with 10-drop doses and increase as may be necessary (Locke). Stramonium is indicated in cough, with constriction and difficult deglutition and impaired innervation. It gives temporary relief in purely spasmodic asthma, but usually fails when dyspnoea or asthmatic breathing are due to pulmonary or cardiac diseases. As a remedy for asthma it was introduced into England, in 1802, by General Gent, who brought the custom from India, where the smoking of datura, under the name gharbhah ("forgetfulness of home "), was common. It soon became very fashionable for individuals having difficult breathing to smoke gharbbah. For spasmodic asthma, the remedy may be given internally, and the following may be smoked or burned so as to be inhaled: Rx Powdered stramonium leaves, ℥i; powdered anise seeds, powdered potassium nitrate aa ℥ss. Mix without trituration. Sig. Burn a thimbleful of this powder under a conical vessel, as a funnel, and inhale the fumes. Or equal amounts of sage and stramonium leaves may be smoked in a pipe until slight nausea is induced (Locke). It is useful in severe paroxysms of whooping-cough, with hemorrhage from the mouth and nose, and in haemoptysis, brought on by fits of coughing, or by spasm. It is a better cough remedy than opium, as it does not arrest the secretions. Stramonium has been extolled for its effects in milk-sickness. In plethoric habits, and in patients with determination to the head, the larger doses of stramonium must be administered with caution, keeping the excretory organs, as the skin, kidneys, and bowels, in an active condition during its employment.


Externally, a poultice of the fresh leaves, bruised, or the dried leaves in hot water, will be found an excellent application over the bowels, in severe forms of gastritis, enteritis, peritonitis, acute rheumatism, painful bladder affections, pleurisy, etc. "I have in many instances applied the leaves to the perineum, in cases of retention of urine from enlarged prostate, where it was impossible to introduce a catheter, and, after having allowed them to remain for about 1/2 hour, have been enabled to pass the catheter with ease and facility, and thus afford relief to the patient. I have met with similar good results in spasmodic urethral stricture" (J. King). It will also be found beneficial as a local medication to all species of painful ulcers, acute ophthalmia, taking care not to produce too great mydriasis, swelled breasts, orchitis, parotitis, and other glandular vulvar inflammation, inflammatory rheumatism, and irritable hemorrhoidal tumors. An ointment of it is very valuable in many of the above diseases, but it should be prepared carefully without too great heat, from fresh leaves and stems, if possible. In cases where the leaves can not be obtained, a plaster of the alcoholic extract or inspissated juice may be applied over the affected parts, or the extract may be rendered thin by heating it in diluted alcohol, and then forming into a poultice with meal or moistened bread and applied. The ointment is exceedingly efficient in cutaneous hypertrophy around the anus, attended with great itching, and sometimes with sero-purulent secretion. Dose of the powdered leaves or seeds, from 1/10 to 5 grains; of the extract, which is the best form of administration, from 1/20 to 2 grains; of the tincture, for which the seeds, bruised, are preferable, from a fraction of a drop to 30 drops; specific stramonium 1/20 to 10 minims.

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[DirtyDeeds]

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Evo Brugmansia je prezimila i polako joj rastu listici, ljepi i zdravi, sve o.k osim sto se sam vrh malo sasusio.....sto bi mogo biti uzrok? Ne vidi se bas dobro na slici ali nisam uspio bolje...

[G8_Keeper]

Ej....taman san cuo za tu daturu ode je ima u dalmaciji dosta...zanimalo bi me jeli se moze odmah jesti sjemke nakon sto je izvade iz cicka....iii.....cuo sam da je neki lik pojeo 200....ja sam mislio pojest 2-3 ....odgovorite brzo molim....hvala puno ;D

[Cutki]

koji si ti brijac stari moj...
ja bi tebi preporucio da pojedes sto vise tih sjemenki i da nam poslije dodes tu na forum sa jos jednim ovako mudrim postom i javis ak prezivis
kak ti je super bilo

CITAJ PO FORUMU,
SVE TI JE NACRTANO!

[DirtyDeeds]

E skužio sam da je Brugmansia imala previše vode......od kiše pa se sve natopilo....listici ljepo rastu a da vrh odrežem ili?

[elephant0r]

@g8

200 je smrtonosno.. ma i 20 je smrtonosno ako je biljka potentna.

Mozda je taj lik pojeo 200 al mornng glorya?

[RedSh]

@ G8- prije nego se ubijes procitaj ovo ----->
http://forums.vutra.org/biljke/3080-datura-info.html

[DirtyDeeds]

Originally Posted by elephant0r

@g8

200 je smrtonosno.. ma i 20 je smrtonosno ako je biljka potentna.

Mozda je taj lik pojeo 200 al mornng glorya?

Ima negdje na forumu iskustvo sa jednim cijelim plodom a to ima dosta više od 200 a ja i frend smo jeli oko 100 za osjetne efekte bez halova ili samo nekoliko blagih.....
Nema šanse da je kod bilo koje biljke 20 smrtonosno ti vjerovatno misliš na Buniku ili Beladonu.

Svejedno G8_Keeper ti ih još nekih 14-29 godina nikako nebi trebo jesti....

[DirtyDeeds]

E da i zar nitko nezna dali trebam odrezati ili ostaviti vrh Brugmansie?

[RedSh]

odumrle ili trule djelove biljke treba odrezati... tako je sa listovima, stabljikama i sa bilo cime :)

[Wolfshade01]

Evo, samo nemojte da neko u ludari završi:

EXTRACTION OF Datura (JIMSON WEED) via. METHYL ALCOHOL.

[Erowid Note: According to Merck, scopolamine and hyoscyamine/atropine are both readily soluble in ethyl alcohol as well.]

STEP #1 Grind 2 grams dantra seed in mortar and pestle.
STEP #2 Place seed pulp into test tube.
STEP #3 Use pipette to place 6mL methyl alcohol into test tube with seed pulp. (the entire contents of the test tube should be 9mL this includes alcohol and seed pulp.)
STEP #4 Shake very well.
Note 1: methanol soon turns a clear yellowish color.
Note 2: end of day one there was only a slight darkening of the alcohol.
Note 3: end of day two there was no change in the appearance of the methanol.
STEP #5 Filter methanol from seed pulp. (gravity filtration will work fine for this).
STEP #6 Pour 2 mL. methanol through seed pulp to wash any remaining alkaloids from the seeds.

NOTE: Upon evaporation of methanol you are left with a golden yellow crystalline powder, (be sure to evaporate methanol to complete dryness as it is very poisonous). The total product of this extraction is 80 mg.

DOSAGE CALCULATION (USE AT OWN RISK)
8mg......................mild effects.
10mg....................mild to moderate effects.
12mg....................moderate effects.
14mg....................moderate to heavy effects.
16mg....................heavy to dangerous effects.

[RedSh]

ne brini, ja se uvijek oslanjam na to da su ljudi 90% lijeni ista proizvest sami cim je malo kompliciraniji postupak od samog gutanja sjemenki :)))

[Largo]

prvo, lijep pozdrav svima
Čitam vaš forum nekoliko dana i mogu reći da stvarno ima mnoštvo korisnih i zanimljivih informacija, za svaku pohvalu!


Baš sam ovu nedjelju bio na floraartu i tako ja razgledavam okolo čega sve ima, i naletim ja na daturu. Prvo si pomislim "vau, pre brutalno" i ništa... nastavim dalje... Ništa mi nije posebno upalo za oko. Taman da ću otići praznih ruku, ali ipak sam se u zadnji čas predomislio i kupio daturu.

Neko vrijeme sam i razmišljao o konzumaciji ove (u najmanju ruku) opasne biljke ali što sam ju više proučavao na internetu, to sam više shvaćao da je to stvarno igranje s vragom.
Tako da će moj novi zeleni ljubimac najvjerojatnije ostati samo kao dekoracija u vrtu i poštivat ću ga sa sigurne distance.

Evo i danas uslikano pa me zanima može li mi netko reći o kojoj sorti se radi, ja pretpostavljam da je Inoxia:


i nekoliko pitanja za botaničare:
- kad bih mogao očekivati cvijeće i plodove?
- koliko sam shvatio, radi se o jednogodišnjoj biljci, znači li to da će ova biljka sa slike umrijeti za nekoliko mjeseci?
- briga o daturi; raste mi u vrtu, koliko znam, biljka je izdržljiva pa pretpostavljam da osim zalijevanja ne iziskuje neki posebni tretman?

Moram priznati da me ova biljka vrlo zaintrigirala zbog svojih svojstava, ali mislim da nisam spreman preuzeti toliki rizik.

I još jedno pitanje za psihonaute; ima li netko ovdje da je imao intenzivno iskustvo na daturi a da nije završio na psihijatriji ili nekakvih trajnijih posljedica?

[Wolfshade01]

To ti je inoxia, metel ima nazubljene listove.
Cvijeće dolazi kroz 3-4 mjeseca nakon sadnje.
Datura je u principu korov tako da nikakvu specijalnu pažnju ne zahtjeva.
Imao iskustva lakšeg inteziteta dobijenih pušenjem dature, bilo je sasvim okej i nisam poludio ili nešto slično (bar mislim). Oralno je ipak malo hardcore al budem i to probao jednom, ne da mi vrag mira :)

[Largo]

Originally Posted by Wolfshade01

To ti je inoxia, metel ima nazubljene listove.
Cvijeće dolazi kroz 3-4 mjeseca nakon sadnje.
Datura je u principu korov tako da nikakvu specijalnu pažnju ne zahtjeva.
Imao iskustva lakšeg inteziteta dobijenih pušenjem dature, bilo je sasvim okej i nisam poludio ili nešto slično (bar mislim). Oralno je ipak malo hardcore al budem i to probao jednom, ne da mi vrag mira :)

heh, što da ti kažem osim "sretno" ako već planiraš jesti sjemenke.

evo upravo sam našao jedan senzacionalistički video na youtubeu Jimson Weed Dangers
živjela amerika!

[elephant0r]

Hahhaha.. sorry Largo al mogu se samo nasmijati na ovo..
Budi oprezan odakle upijas znanje i informacije.. zlicica istine sa tanjurom sranja..

[Largo]

Originally Posted by elephant0r

Hahhaha.. sorry Largo al mogu se samo nasmijati na ovo..
Budi oprezan odakle upijas znanje i informacije.. zlicica istine sa tanjurom sranja..

ovaj link na američku reportažu sam stavio iz zajebancije, opisali su ju kao da je državni neprijatelj broj jedan, ali općepoznato je da američki mediji vole držati svoje gledatelje u strahu

ali da, ja ne mislim jesti svoju daturu, neka raste.

[artuv]

datura ima gomolj, pa je ti mos posic, a ona naraste opet iduce godine na iston mistu..kad je se zelis rjesit tribas izvadit sve podzemne djelove..

i jea san daturu vise puta, sjemenke, i nikad nikakvih problema..meni bas zanimljiva biljka u svakom pogledu

[DirtyDeeds]

Jel to iz prakse znaš ili......ja kad sam ostavio samo Dature ali ne i sjeme da popada nije izrasla...ja mislim da Datura izraste svake godine ponovno zbog ogromnog broja sjemenki koji popada na tlo oko dature a inace kolko znam to je jednogodišnja biljka....ili grješim?

[artuv]

pa prije dok sam uzima daturu, imali smo jedan ogroman grm kojeg su neki ljudi (zli ljudi : ) tili unistit da nemozemo jest vise. pa su tribali nakraju sve preorat i sve povadit iz zemlje..
a znan za jednu kraj mene sad, ona svake godine naraste ogromna, pa je pocetkom zime vlasnici srezu u korjenu, a ona na prolice opet izraste bas iz toga ostatka sta viri malo iz zemlje, bas san je bija vidit prije tjedan dva i raste opet..