Ephedra

[Ras Tafari]

Vidio sam da ta biljka na veliko raste ovde gdje zivim, skoro svaka 2 metra grm ephedra, cuo sam da se od nje radi Mormon Tea, koji djeluje jako stimulativno, pa bih volio da napisete neshto vishe o tome, i vasa iskustva sa biljkom ephedrom a ne tabletama sa ephedrinom.

[ROX]

Nikad cuo prije, al naso sam je na erowidu:

http://www.erowid.org/plants/ephedra/ephedra.shtml



E sad, nema bas puno informacija, neznam dal je bezopasna il ne, pise da je stimulant pa mi malo sumnjivo to...

[Ras Tafari]

Toga u dalmaciji ima samo tako, izgledaju kao nekakvi grmovi bez listova, otidite na google pictures i tamo upisite ephedra major!!!!

[Ras Tafari]

Name: Ephedra
Biological Name: Ephedra sinica, Ephedra intermedia, Ephedra equisetina, Ephedra distacha, Ephedra trifurca
Other Names: Mahuang, Ma Huang, desert tea, Mormon tea, American ephedra, Chinese ephedra, European ephedra, Pakistani ephedra, Ephedra
Parts Used:
Active Compounds:

Ephedra's active medicinal ingredients are the alkaloids ephedrine and pseudoephedrine. The stem contains 1-3% total alkaloids, with ephedrine accounting for 30-90% of this total, depending on the plant species employed. Both ephedrine and its synthetic counterparts stimulate the central nervous system, dilate the bronchial tubes, elevate blood pressure, and increase heart rate. Pseudoephedrine (the synthetic form) is a popular over-the-counter remedy for relief of nasal congestion.
History:

The Chinese have used ephedra medicinally for over 5,000 years. Ephedra is listed as one of the original 365 herbs from the classical first century A.D. text on Chinese herbalism by Shen Nong. Ephedra's traditional medicinal uses include the alleviation of sweating, lung and bronchial constriction, and water retention. Coughing, shortness of breath, the common cold, and fevers without sweat are all indications for its use. While the active constituent, ephedrine, was isolated in 1887, it was not until 1924 that the herb became popular with physicians in the US. for its broncho-dilating and decongesting properties.
Remedies For:

Diaphoretic, bronchial dilator, diuretic

Induces perspiration, warms coldness, relieves wheezing, moves fluids. It is used for common cold, wheezing, bronchial asthma, bronchitis, and edema.

Useful for:

Asthma
Common Cold
Hay fever
Congestion
Cough
Weight loss and obesity

Ephedra is used to treat asthma, hay fever, the common cold, and as a weight loss aid.

Asthma and hay fever: Ephedra is useful in the treatment of mild to moderate hay fever and asthma. It is recommended that you supplement the ephedra use with substances that support the adrenal glands, such as licorice, panax ginseng, vitamin C, magnesium, zinc, vitamin B-6, and pantothenic acid.
The traditional herbal treatment of asthma involves the use of ephedra in combination with herbal expectprants. The expectorants modify the secretions from the respiratory tract, ultimately improving its function by having the user spit up the secretions out. The most commonly used expectorants are licorice, grindelia, euphorbia, sundew, and senega.

Weight Loss Aid: Ephedrine suppresses the appetite and increases the metabolic rate of adipose tissue. Ephedrine activates the sympathetic nervous system, increasing the metabolic rate and increasing the amount of the food converted to heat (thermogenesis). This prevents the body from converting these foods to fat, thus helping in the control of weight gain by those who have low metabolism.

Ephedrine is often used in conjunction with methylxanthine sources such as coffee, tea, cola nut, and guarana. The methylxanthines enhances the thermogenic effect of ephedrine. Clinical studies have also shown that aspirin may be effective in increasing the thermogenic effect of ephedrine.
Description:

Ephedra is a shrublike plant found in desert regions throughout the world. It is distributed from northern China to Inner Mongolia. The dried green stems of the three Asian species (E. sinica, intermedia, equisetina) are the plant parts employed medicinally. The North American species of ephedra does not appear to contain the active ingredients of its Asian counterparts. The plants are 1.5 to 4 foot high. They typically grow on dry, rocky, or sandy slopes. The many slender, yellow green branches of ephedra have two very small leaf scales at each node. The mature, double seeded cones are visible in the fall.
Dosage:

The crude powdered stems of ephedra (with less than 1% ephedrine) are employed at a dose of 1-4 grams per day in tea form.

Tinctures of 1-4 ml three times per day can be taken.

Over-the-counter drugs containing ephedrine can be safely used by adults at a dose of 12.5-25 mg every four hours. Adults should take no more than 150 mg every twenty-four hours.

Pseudoephedrine is typically recommended at a dose of 60 mg every six hours.
Safety:

Ephedra should not be used by those with external deficiency with symptoms of spontaneous sweating. Because the alkaloids have an effect similar to that of adrenaline, ephedra should not be used with symptoms of high blood pressure or insomnia.

Ephedra has a long history of safe use at the recommended amount. However, abuse of the drug-especially for weight loss-can lead to amphetamine-like side effects, including elevated blood pressure, muscle disturbances, insomnia, dry mouth, heart palpitations, nervousness, and even death due to heart failure.

Anyone with high blood pressure, heart conditions, diabetes, glaucoma, thyroid disease, and those taking MAO-inhibiting antidepressants should consult with a physician before using any type of product with ephedra.

Pseudoephedrine can cause drowsiness and should be used with caution if driving or operating machinery Ephedra-based products should be avoided during pregnancy and lactation and used with caution in children under the age of six years.

US FDA recommends that the amount of ephedra added to dietary supplements to 8 milligrams. FDA wants warning labels put on the products cautioning against taking them for more than a week, and advising consumers not to combine them with other stimulants. These were retracted on strong opposition from the General Accounting Office (GAO), that the agency does not have enough evidence to make such recommendation. However, FDA has kept the warning against mixing ephedrine with other stimulants.

Medical experts suggest that used as a stimulant, ephedra can raise blood pressure and heart rate, cause vomiting, heart palpitations, dizziness, nervousness and more serious reactions, including heart attacks, seizures and strokes. U.S. FDA has said that between 1997 and 1999 it had received 140 reports of illness or death linked to ephedra alkaloids. Since then, the agency has gotten another 103 such reports, but those haven't been investigated. A recent study reported in the New England Journal of Medicine suggest that ephedra might be the main culprit for those deaths. (Read the entire article on the discussion of the safety of this drug.)

Because of the possible danger due to the abuse, we recommend that you should limit the amount of this herb consumed strictly. It has been shown that many times, the actual amount of the active ingredients present in the products can differ substantially from batch to batch due to poor quality controls. So, caution is recommended. We also recommend that you do not take this with stimulants such as caffeine.

[RedSh]

i sam vidis da ima malo informacija, vecina ljudi nema blage veza sta je to ili kako to izgleda, tako da ne vjerujem da ce ti itko moci dati neki konkretni savjet o djelovanju ili dozi.

sve je na tebi...experiment ili ne. ja ne bi hvala.

kod mene ima datrure ko u prici pa opet je ne bi stavila u sebe ni za sta na ovom svijetu 8)

[Ras Tafari]

Ephedra, nije nepoznata, nego je nepoznata samo kod nas, njezin glavni sastojak, ephedring i pseudoephedrin, koristi se u lijekovima protiv prehlade, jer prosiruje disne puteve.

U Hrvatskoj se zove KOSITRENICA

[Curandero]

Zanimljivo otkrice, ako imas jos informacija, bilo bi korisno... Kolko toga ima tamo di si ga nasao, gdje sve raste, itd...

[Ras Tafari]

http://www.pfaf.org/database/plants....edra+distachya

-- tu vam je sve o njoj, a nasao sam i neku stranicu na kojoj pise da se sve vrste ephedre u hrvatskoj koriste u medicinske svrhe:
u nas postoje 3 vrste, Distachya, Mediteranea(Major), purpurea, nisam siguran za purpureu.

Ephedrine is seen as a performance-boosting herb and, as such, is a forbidden substance in many sporting events such as athletics[K]. The stems can be harvested at any time of the year and are dried for later use[238].

Pseudoephedrine je sastojak u maxflu-u.

It is used to relieve acute muscular and rheumatic pains (when it is called teamsters' tea), as a stimulant, and in the cardio tonics in Ayurveda. It is sometimes identified with the legendary drug soma, as described in the Avesta and the Rig Veda, the respective ancient sacred texts of the Zoroastrian and Hindu faiths.

Ephedrine, the salt of an alkaloid, is obtained from its dried branches and is used to control asthma. It was isolated from the plant by Nagayoshi Nagai in 1885.


Ephedrine:

Ephedrine's basic pharmacological action resembles epinephrine (adrenaline), but is considerably less active. Ephedrine can also be absorbed orally, unlike epinephrine. Ephedrine also has a longer duration of action and more pronounced effects on the brain and central nervous system. These CNS effects resemble amphetamines, but are less potent. Ephedrine increases blood pressure, cardiac output, and heart rate, but these effects last about ten times longer than epinephrine. Ephedra will also increase heart, brain, and muscle blood flow - thus compromising blood flow to the kidney and intestine. Ephedrine also relaxes bronchial and uterine muscle.

Pseudoephedrine:

Pseudoephedrine also relaxes bronchial muscle, but its effects on the heart and and CNS are weaker. It may also possess some antiinflammatory effects.



toxicity:
• Reports of Ephedra whole herb toxicity in therapeutic dose ranges are absent from the medical literature. Numerous references to ephedrine (isolated alkaloid) toxicity exist. Ma Huang OTC supplements are often cited in toxicity reports without analysis of dose or alkaloid content. Ephedra is not used as an isolated herb or supplement by clinical herbalists of Western or Traditional Chinese schools, but is always used in combination with other herbs.

cim su izvadili alkaloid iz biljke alkaloid je postao otrovan

• Long term excessive use of ephedrine has been associated with dependency and amphetamine like psychosis in anecdotal clinical reports.

[blinky]

Ako bi neko bio ljubazan iz Hrvatske da mi je posalje bio bih mu veoma zhvalan, a i dao bi mu nesto za uzvrat, xsamo nek me kontaktira na pm... hvala...

[Pampers]

Evo ovako... Glede ephedre


Procitali ste teoretski dio i sve znate...

Evo vam sad moja mudrost:)))

Uzeo sam 5g susene ephedre... iskidao i stavio u vrucu vodu. Vulgaris caj.... Drzao 10min.
Vrlo energicno radi... Nije fizicki high kao od kave, ali neka budnost i napetost te obuzme i DRZI... 6-7h. Ubrzan govor ubrzano sve... Nije ko speed jer nema daj filing moci i snage, ali odradi sto treba.
Samo kad pusti, pusti... odjednom poslje sve energije padne umor. I mosh ga ebat, lec i cekat da prodje.

E sad, to je bila greska u pripravljanju... Drugi put sam potrefio kako treba i ostao budan 48h bez beda... samo se umjerena glavobolja pojavila nakon 36h.

Pravilni nacin prirpavljanja je... staviti u vodu i 15 minuta drzat na vatri... Posto to nije lisce vec grancice, treba puno vise da se otpusti u vodu. Boja vise nije prozirna kao prvi put... okus je jaci... i naravno DUPLO jace vozi!
Ali ni ovdije nemojte trazit neki psihicki high jer to nije SPEED!

Ukus je fin... drvenasto slatkasto biljni;))))
Iako predlazem da stavite 1/4 grama stevije za savrsenu aromu. ( ne extract jer je sladak vec list)


Javite kako je proslo!

[Weedeemer]

Efedrin jest alkaloid iz biljke Ephedra sinica, a pripada skupini simpatomimetika. Po svojem djelovanju jest alfa i beta adrenergički agonist. Efedrin u principu povećava lučenje noradrenalina, ali djeluje i izravno. Učinak ove tvari vrlo je sličan efektu prirodnog lučenja adrenalina. Medicinska upotreba efedrina je uglavnom ograničena na upotrebu kao nazalnog vazokonstriktora u slučaju hunjavice. Efedrin pojačava snagu kontrakcije mišića, ubrzava metabolizam, pojačava puls, uzrokuje aritmije srca, također djeluje lagano antidepresivno (ali izaziva i depresiju nakon korištenja), povisuje arterijski tlak, usporava probavni trakt, uzrokuje suhoću usta i dr. Korištenje efedrina kao sredstva za mršavljenje je do nedavno bilo jako rašireno. Naime, sadržavali su ga pripravci kao što su Ripped Fuel, Xenadrine i sl. Efedrin u tim pripravcima bio je zapravo ekstrakt biljke Ma Huang (lat. Ephedra sinica) s velikim udjelom efedrina. U svrhu mršavljenja efedrin se koristio u kombinaciji s kofeinom i acetilsalicilnom kiselinom - čuvena "EKA" kombinacija. Ova mješavina pokazala se jako djelotvornom kao izvanredno termogeno sredstvo koje ima dvostruko djelovanje - ubrzava metabolizam povećavajući tjelesnu temperaturu i potiče oslobađanje triglicerida iz masnih stanica. Osim toga, izuzetno smanjuje apetit. Zloupotreba efedrina ima brojne neželjene kratkotrajne i dugotrajne posljedice. S obzirom da je efedrin vrlo sličan amfetaminima za očekivati je nuspojave koje su slične kao kod uzimanja amfetamina ali su blaže. Može nastupiti drhtanje ruku, tremor, znojenje, ubrzano kucanje srca i povišeni krvni tlak, vrtoglavica, mučnina, povraćanje, razdražljivost i osjećaj unutarnjeg nemira,. Oni koji pate od visokog krvnog tlaka, nepravilnosti u radu srca, hipertrofije prostate mogu biti u životnoj opasnosti ukoliko uzmu ovu tvar u svrhu mršavljenja. Također, kao i amfetamini, efedrin može na duže staze izazvati moždani udar. I jedna krajnje neugodna nuspojava - kod muških osoba izaziva impotenciju.

(wiki)



nebi ja amfiće baš u zamjenu za vutru....

[EXARP]

Efedrin sam za sebe i čaj od Efedre nisu jedno te isto. Čaj je nekako drukčiji od npr. kapsula za mršavjenje sa efedrinom. Čaj je ipak kombinacija više spojeva, koji vjerovatno modificiraju sami efekt. Priroda sve to lipo uravnoteži. Mormoni, kojima je kava zabranjena, piju čaj od efedre. Kako to rade slično ko i mi s kavom, nemaju nekih problema s njom.

[Pampers]

Tko zna kako se radi extract ephedre?

Ja razmisljam pravit alkoholom ali nemam dovoljno ni podataka ni ephedre viridis pls budite moja baterija u tunelu

[EXARP]

Originally Posted by Pampers

Tko zna kako se radi extract ephedre?

Ja razmisljam pravit alkoholom ali nemam dovoljno ni podataka ni ephedre viridis pls budite moja baterija u tunelu

Efedrin i psudoefedrin imaju visoku topivost u etanolu, a topivi su i u vodi, eteru i kloroformu.
Mislim da ti je obični etanol više nego dovoljan. Ako nemaš alkohola, a ti onda extrahiraj vodom (najbolje destiliranom). Iskuvaš ko da sprmaš čaj, procjediš i onda ispariš vodu. Uvjek je pravilo da se otparavenje viška otapala provodi jaaaaaako sporo...šta sporije.

[BossGrow]

Uzeo sam 5g susene ephedre... iskidao i stavio u vrucu vodu. Vulgaris caj.... Drzao 10min.
Pravilni nacin prirpavljanja je... staviti u vodu i 15 minuta drzat na vatri... Posto to nije lisce vec grancice, treba puno vise da se otpusti u vodu. Boja vise nije prozirna kao prvi put... okus je jaci... i naravno DUPLO jace vozi!
Ali ni ovdije nemojte trazit neki psihicki high jer to nije SPEED!


koja je razlika izmedu susene i svjeze
ima li kakvih negativnih ucinaka od caja svjeze ubrane ephedre?

idem sad stavit kuhat 10ak gr svjeze da vidim kako i dali radi

[Ramona_Red]

Ja ne znam jesam li ovo već pisala - mrsko mi se ponavljati a bogami još mrže tražit okolo po postovima - ispada da mi je najlakše lajat (čitah=tipkat) - pa ću vam (yope?) reć da je meni čaj od efedre bio suuuper - pila ga sa susjedom Elinom iz NL, u Dortmundu, ujutro umisto kave. Mene je to (a bogami i nju) držalo dobrih par sati - razvezale se ka da smo skupa koze pase, posli išle šopingirat - a lipi sunčan dan, a meni još sunčaniji, i ludilo brate sestro
Dok - probala sam i efedrin u kapsulama - koji mi je samo razbubao srce i bija mi živi bed od njega - baah - sad - jel to jer je u kapsulama bilo i kofeina - ili zato što čovik uvik kad takne u biljku pretvori je u ***** - e to ne znam - al eto
A ako efedre ima u dalmaciji, pa to je super - ja nisam išla za tim - čini mi se poznata ta biljka na slici -malo podsjeća na brnistru prije neg procvita - al to ziher nije to - a i meni se uvik većina biljaka čini poznata (češ,češ) pa eto hehhe ... np ...

[BossGrow]

od svjeze me jedino psiha dirnula, ne znam tocno, imao sam jedan flash, ali opcenito jako slabo

sad kuham 20ak gr osusene pa cemo vidit

[Ramona_Red]

A vidiš ... (ne valjda neg sigurno) sve to igra: kakva je efedra (koliko je efedrina u njoj), koliko je ima (kol'ko si je skuva), koliko si (i čega) ija taj dan (ja san bila natašte, ujutro - eto sad kad rekoh ujutro - i to igra, koje je doba dana - svi znamo kol'ko ujutro sve bolje puca, od trave, koke, do ... khm ... do seksa pa nadalje ;)), koliko inače težiš itd., koliko si otporan na efedrin, kako ti psiha-ap-ćiha (nazdravlje!) hiihih ... blabla--blabla. Meni je bilo ludilo od tog čaja. Pila sam i od guarane neki čajčekić, al mi nije bilo niš. Ko kavu da popiješ - a možda i vodu, ko da s' na drvenom brodu (e - ovo kakim, zbog rime, iako nisam ni Šime i da oću nemam ni čime - povući kravu za vime - veliko to mi je brime, jer makar bi bilo i vrime (zbog sve ove promjene klime) - odma bi pala na time i izdubla slaka svo sime dok svi lipo travulju dime ne bojeć se gladi ni zime - ne pitajte zato mi ime jer ništa ja nemam sa time

Buehehehe ... a kupusaaaahahaha

[Pampers]

Originally Posted by BossGrow

od svjeze me jedino psiha dirnula, ne znam tocno, imao sam jedan flash, ali opcenito jako slabo

sad kuham 20ak gr osusene pa cemo vidit

Znaci svijeza bas ne radi? Zabiljezeno;)))

Pazi s susenom, doza za salicu je 5g.. A nemoj se ni zezeat s vecim kolicinama, nije dobro za srce.

[BossGrow]

proslo je neko vrijeme i osjecam lagane promjene, mozda sam previse ocekivao, osjecaj da ekstremi , tj "njihova aura" kasni, pomaknem npr ruku i imam osjecaj da nakon pola sek taj pokret nesto poprati, palo mi napamet, kao prije kod onih losih mob sa kamerom, kad bi slika kasnila, e upravo tako!
malo veci pritisak u glavi, pad raspolozenja i titrajuce iskrice u rubovima vidnog polja

da napomenem da sam popio caj od 10gr zelene i 20 gr suhe ephedre te 1.5dcl jake kafe

sad sam osusio 10-15 listova Lactuca virosa-e pa cu to popusit a za desert par listova kucne koprive :) ali nesto mi je jadna, sinoc smo je obrstili